Learn Philosophy Online, Challenge to Gratitude, The middle-class-white-teenager -who-thinks-he’s-black in Piper
a)
This is an awesome website for some good resources. Something I really appreciate is the 24-minute sessions on the history of western philosophy taken from a very informed, evangelical viewpoint (taught by RC Sproul). They haven’t offered the whole dvd collection for free, but there’s quite a few videos there. In the media player, click on video and go down to Augustine for the first one. Sproul speaks intelligently, accurately, and in an accessible manner.
b)
I’ve started reading Future Grace by Dr. John Piper online (unfortunately, only the first three chapters are available for free :(). Piper makes a huge claim. Anyone able to prove him wrong? Please let me know if you or someone else can. Here’s the claim:
‘How many places in the Bible can you think of where gratitude or thankfulness is explicitly made the motive of moral behavior?... If you ask Christians today, “What is the biblical motive for Christian obedience?” great numbers would say, “Gratitude to God.” And yet this way of thinking seems almost totally lacking in the Bible. The Bible rarely, if ever, explicitly makes gratitude the impulse of moral behavior, or ingratitude the explanation of immorality.’ – p33-34
‘You will read the Old Testament in vain for texts that make gratitude the explicit motive or power for obedience.’ – p34-35
Piper says, to paraphrase and simplify it a lot, that we should obey God because we trust His promises for our future. NOT because we are grateful for what He did in the past. Piper seems to say that gratitude is never given as a motivation for obedience. Is this true?
If you’re interested in what Piper says, you can read along with me.
c)
While I’m on the topic of Piper, here’s something I saw quite a while ago, and forgot to post.
This is an awesome website for some good resources. Something I really appreciate is the 24-minute sessions on the history of western philosophy taken from a very informed, evangelical viewpoint (taught by RC Sproul). They haven’t offered the whole dvd collection for free, but there’s quite a few videos there. In the media player, click on video and go down to Augustine for the first one. Sproul speaks intelligently, accurately, and in an accessible manner.
b)
I’ve started reading Future Grace by Dr. John Piper online (unfortunately, only the first three chapters are available for free :(). Piper makes a huge claim. Anyone able to prove him wrong? Please let me know if you or someone else can. Here’s the claim:
‘How many places in the Bible can you think of where gratitude or thankfulness is explicitly made the motive of moral behavior?... If you ask Christians today, “What is the biblical motive for Christian obedience?” great numbers would say, “Gratitude to God.” And yet this way of thinking seems almost totally lacking in the Bible. The Bible rarely, if ever, explicitly makes gratitude the impulse of moral behavior, or ingratitude the explanation of immorality.’ – p33-34
‘You will read the Old Testament in vain for texts that make gratitude the explicit motive or power for obedience.’ – p34-35
Piper says, to paraphrase and simplify it a lot, that we should obey God because we trust His promises for our future. NOT because we are grateful for what He did in the past. Piper seems to say that gratitude is never given as a motivation for obedience. Is this true?
If you’re interested in what Piper says, you can read along with me.
c)
While I’m on the topic of Piper, here’s something I saw quite a while ago, and forgot to post.
3 Comments:
At 7:52 AM, Anonymous said…
Hey -
Reading future grace, eh? Ahh, that book has been my bane! I think Piper, while saying a while lot good about motivation and the need for enabling present and future enabling grace, completely misses the point on gratitude. His argumentation, usually impeccable, is very weak here.
He begins by defining gratitude one way ("We
feel constrained with joy to acknowledge the gift and the goodwill behind it, and to express how good we feel about the gift and the heart of the giver") but then laments that "gratitude starts to be misused and distorted as an impulse to pay for the very thing that came to us 'gratis'." He calls this corruption of gratitude "the beggars ethic" and devotes the rest of the chapters in debunking the corruption of gratitude, while never coming back to reconstruct the role that true gratitude has in the life of a believer.
Gratitude viewed as a proper response to grace which motivates joy and devotion, and even obedience, is something entirely different than the beggar's ethic Piper constructs whereby one feels they must try to pay back God, something that no one could ever do.
Finally, I find it interesting that Piper avoids explaining (at least in these three chapters) the clearest passage in the New Testament which seems to point to gratitude as a response to God's mercy, Romans 12:1-2. It seems there is a proper response to God's grace that I believe can only be called in this passage, gratitude. The parallelism in this passage sees very intentional. Christ was the priest who offered his body as a dying sacrifice for you, your reasonable act of worship is to be a priest who offers up your body as a living sacrifice to Him.
Piper's analogy of being invited to dinner falls short. yes, when invited to someone's house to dine with them, it would be inconceivable and insulting to try to pay them back. Yet, there is a proper response by which you demonstrate thanksgiving and respect for your host. You show up on time. You act mannerly throughout dinner. You thank the host. None of these things is ever conceived of as me trying to pay the host back, but they are a proper thankful response.
So I am not too hard on gratitude if it is proper gratitude and not the beggar's ethic.
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